0:00 - 2:30 - Intro
- What we are going to cover on this episode.
2:31 - 6:44 - Fibroblast Heterogeneity, they can be tissue-specific
- An emerging theory in the literature coming to a consesnus; Fibroblasts are different based on what tissue their in.
- Fibroblasts have same identity, but they can put on a different suit which changes their function.
- Superhero Analogy
- 3 Classifications of Fibroblasts (1) Progenitor, (2) Steady-State (Quiescent), (3) Acitvated (Myofibroblasts).
- Steady-state is a signature of being in balance; they act as sentinals
- They look for patterns and disruptions in patterns; MAMP, PAMP, DAMP (Damage-Associated Molecular Pattern)
- Crosstalk with other members of the Immune System (Macrophages)
6:45 - 9:17 - Where Fibroblasts are found and the role of Steady-State Fibroblasts
- Placed in areas where there’s lots of exchange, chokepoints, barriars; i.e. lungs, gut, vasculature.
- They are “landscapers”, they will structurally change the cellular environment (ECM, Fascia) t make sure it’s not to far from Homeostasis.
- How they keep an eye on the landscape.
- Summary of Fibroblasts, “They are on Patrol”
9:18 - 14:38 - The role of Activated Fibroblasts (Myofibroblasts)
- Activation = Inflammation
- Fibroblasts are part of the Immune System
- Different Terminology for Activated Fibroblasts
- They can Mount, Recruit and Modulate an Inflammatory respones.
- What Inflammation actually means.
- Inflammation manifests as Pain in Your Fascia.
- What mechanical changes actually happen in the Fascia when You have too much inflammation and Activated Fibroblasts
- Net = Space gets closed off; Fascia’s primary job is too keep Space open.
14:39 - 19:24 - Is Myofibroblast activation bad?
- Batman Analogy
- Myofibroblasts are suppsed to be transient.
- The problem is when Myofibroblasts stay around too long.
- Myofibroblasts have a contractile, ECM-producing phenotype.
- What a contracture is.
- They secrete pro-inflammatory collagen fibers.
- Tension propagates through mechanotransduction; this flips Fibroblasts to Myofibroblasts
- Tight Fascia begets more tight Fascia until You get Adhesion or Fibrosis.
19:25 - 22:43 - Why chronic Myofibroblast Activation is a problem.
- It loops in on itself.
- Study Quote - Activated Fibroblasts drive chronic Activation
- Another study in the Meta-Analysis - Synovial Fibroblasts can retain stromal memory, they are sensitized to become Myofibroblasts right away if there’s only partial remediation
- Myofibroblasts can remain on standby
22:44 - 26:58 - The Gut-Fascia Axis
- Fibroblasts are strategically placed at Your gut lining.
- Fibroblasts have 2 well-studied receptors Pattern Recognition Receptors; TLR4 (Toll-like Receptor 4) and NOD-like Receptors (Nucleotide Oligiomerization Domain).
- Your Gut lining is Your “inside-skin”.
- When LPS moves from Your gut to the serum; it binds to TLR4 and flips Fibroblasts to Myofibroblasts
- Batman Analogy for how NOD-like Receptors work.
- They can respond to cytokines (Biochemical Activation)
26:59 - 30:36 - Why response to cytokines is so critically important.
- 70% of Your Immune population exists under Your gut lining.
- If Gut is compromised all members of the Immune System release Pro-Inflammatory cytokines.
- TNFa is one of many cytokines that activate fibroblasts
- How the gut is directly related to pulmonary fibrosis.
- Activated Fibroblasts will release their own pro-inflammatory cytokines and mechanical tensioning.
- How TNFa from Fibroblasts can drive fibrosis lungs.
30:37 - 34:12 - Other Pro-inflammatory cytokines that activate Fibroblasts
- IL-17a also activates Fibrolasts.
- Autoimmunity is linked with IL-17
- IL-17a will trigger IL-1a, IL-1b and TNFa; all 3 will activate Fibroblasts.
- They will also all come together, stabilizing the Pro-Inflammatory response.
- Construction-Builder Analogy
- Lower back Pain Example
34:15 - 37:49 - How to fix this
- Seal Your Gut
- Best Method in Niek’s opinion is the Immunity Code
- Niek has turned around Fascial Pain by targetting the Gut within 1 day.
- How the Immunity Code works
- Niek mentions resources for the Immunecentric Approach
- The Immuncentric Approach is built up from maintaining Gut-Lining Integrity
RESOURCES
Joel Greene on the Health Sensei
Ben Greenfield Podcast with Joel Greene 1
Ben Greenfield Podcast with Joel Greene 2